Department: Natural Resources
Release Date: Oct 16, 2013
Travis Rollins, Open Lands Operations Manager (970) 498-5622, email@example.com
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1. Posted by: Resident on Oct 28, 2013 9:02 AM
2. Posted by: Dixoncove on Oct 28, 2013 1:16 PM
3. Posted by: OpenSpaceRes on Oct 28, 2013 6:06 PM
Frankly, the park is now full on the weekends and I don't think expansion is justified. I can tell you the lower parking area is already full almost every Saturday and Sunday, so directing more traffic to that lot is not going to address the issue.The lot was 100% full on 10/27. I know this because I can see the lot from my house. So, adding additional trails at the lower lot, and directing additional traffic there only exacerbates the problem. And for environmental impact, I'm definitely opposed to any asphalt trail of any kind in the park anywhere.
Also, our private neighborhood already suffers the consequences of park expansion. I constantly have to ask people to leave when I see them park on our property. Now people are becoming belligerent, when asked to leave and I worry about the kids with the increased traffic you will bring. Not to mention that we have to pay to maintain the road ourselves at a huge expense. This happens despite numerous signs informing visitors they are entering private property. And now, residents are starting to request our HOA install a gated system at even more expense due to trespassers that litter and park illegally. Larimer County does not help us with any of these expenses.
I suggest that you leave the parking lots the way they are and leverage technology to inform people the parks are full with additional signage at Harmony and 38e. This would prevent people from wasting their time driving up and hopefully reduce congestion on 38e. I like the idea of web cams so people can check the lot situation, but also would suggest a dedicated web site that gives the status of the lots. Also, leveraging a web based reservation system could help with logistics and bring in additional revenue to the park. Please don't build more trails from a parking lot that is already full. Don' expand the upper parking lot, and bring increased traffic to an already overburdened public and PRIVATE road system.
We need to face the fact that the front range population has exploded, and not everyone can visit the parks at the same time. People will have to plan better. The parks are first come first serve and the current traffic load in the surrounding areas can't support the additional load. Soderberg Open space was purchased and should be used just as it's named, for OPEN SPACE. I hope Larimer Count y can recognize this, and take actions to reduce the traffic load and leverage logistics to better regulate use of the park, rather than expanding it to the point that no one can enjoy it.
4. Posted by: Resident on Oct 28, 2013 8:28 PM
5. Posted by: CoNoRes on Oct 29, 2013 8:17 AM
I am not against additional trails, whatsoever. More trails in responsible areas equals more visitors equals more revenue equals a healthier population coupled with a better appreciation for our parks system. I do think directing more citizens to park at the lower lot is a mistake for the park and will have an extremely negative impact on my subdivision, all while not accomplishing the stated goal of increasing access to the upper portion of the park. If there is a possibility of expansion further to the south, that seems like the most logical solution for all. The Soderburg lot is almost always at full capacity on the weekends, Blue Sky seems to not be. Why not focus moving cars to that location, even if the initial logistics are more complex? To me, at least, that seems to be the best long term solution for the park.
Our little community is constantly dealing with people illegally parking all over the sides of our privately maintained roads to enter the park free of charge. This has increased at an alarming rate and I find it difficult to ask folks to please leave, making the only option calling them into the Sheriff since as private citizens, I don't think it is safe nor our responsibility to enforce the park's rules. This extra traffic is having a major impact on our privately maintain roads, costing us significant funds to fix the sides of the chip seal that isn't meant to be driven on, let alone act as a parking lot. It also, and more importantly, has become a major safety issue for the small children of the community with the unaware, and often speeding, vehicles using our community as their access point to the park. Funneling more and more people to Soderburg is only going to cause the level of these issues to increase for us.
If these changes, as proposed, are going to be pushed through despite our concerns, I ask that the park consider using some additional resources to keep our area safe and our privately maintained roads in good condition by enforcing the rules and prevent park goers from sneaking in from Continental North and using our streets as their personal and free parking lot and access point to Horsetooth Mountain Park.
Thanks for your time and I look forward to hearing the county's solutions and thoughts about the impact on our subdivision the proposed changes will have. I hope we can all work together to do what's best for everyone involved.
6. Posted by: Badidea on Oct 31, 2013 4:42 PM
First I should address the proposed trail and the location. I believe that the location of the proposed trail would be an eye sore and a scar on the Soderburg open space. Drawing a zigzag line into the middle of this open space would ruin the beauty and integrity of this piece of land. It is in poor taste and would not accomplish the goal to increase access to Horsetooth falls. At the direction of Meegan Flenniken I walked the proposed area. We were told that there would be flags guiding the way along the proposed trail but there were none so we used our best guess. I will tell you that it was a hard walk up to Stout. I am a former half Ironman and have done the towers road trail more times then I can count so I believe I am a good judge of "not easy." The trail according to my gps would be between 4/5th's of a mile and a mile.
Now I will also tell you that I walked down the South side of the open space from where Stout curves west towards Spring creek trail. My walk took me to the old farmers road that comes down a beautiful gulch. It was .57 miles to the old Farmers road. It was an easy walk and very well hidden from most of the homes in the area. There was one section of the old road that was pretty steep but not that bad This route was for the most part on the edge of the open space so it would not disrupt it's integrity.
I am opposed to any trail being added but I will tell you that when I came down the South side I was shocked that it was not where they had proposed to put the new trail. It was an easier walk and It was gorgeous. I would encourage the County to consider this South option if it is decided to proceed with building a trail as this is a much quicker trip to the falls...(part of the reason for building the trail) and is more in line with protecting and preserving this open space (building no trail would protect and preserve it more).
7. Posted by: dixoncovedesign on Nov 11, 2013 2:48 PM
That said, I would be interested in seeing the plans for the Soderburg Homestead museum move forward. There is fascinating history and nature to share with visitors to this area. Consider a route that stays tucked in the valley and drainages and highlights the heritage and natural history of the area while preserving the overall visual impact of the Open Space. Repurposing the Open Space as a recreational area is not consistent with the original scope of this space.
As for controlling traffic and parking issues along CR 38E, this proposed trail will have minimal impact on solving that problem. I appreciate the opportunity to have seen your presentation, hike the proposed route myself, and finally, leave a comment on your site.
8. Posted by: ProNoCoTrail on Nov 13, 2013 2:54 PM