Cirque Meadows by Adam Johnson




October 13, 2011, 1:30-3:30 PM




The meeting was called to order at l: 34 PM by Chair Roger Svendsen


Members in Attendance : Susan Bradley, Terry Ferebee, Lon Hughes, Ben Myers, Ross Reid, Lucille Schmitt, and Roger Svendsen,


Members’ Excused Absences:  All other members had excused absences


Larimer County Representation:  LARCO Senior Planner Rob Helmick


Guests Present :  Pat Bradley and Creed Kidd


Adoption of Agenda :  The agenda was approved as written


Approval of Minutes :  September 8, 2011 meeting notes, as corrected, were approved


Communications from Committee Members: None


Communications from County Representatives


1.     Bob Helmick passed out “Thank You” 2012 calendars to board members.  Rob discussed the composition of the RFLPAC in light of two members not reapplying for membership.  Roger Svendsen advised that on web site, there is information pertaining to application for RFLPAC


Comments from the Audience: None


Action item :  None




1.    DSL/High Speed Internet.  Ben Myers has tried to contact the Educational Access Gateway Learning Environment network (EAGLENET).  EAGLENET IS AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WHICH OPERATES a Colorado cost-sharing consortium that provides a fully collaborative and secure high-speed broadband network.  It provides commodity internet and advanced education and research networks to Colorado school districts and other community anchor institutions.  Please see their web site at for more information.  EAGLENET web page does not indicate how to apply for their service or what the servable areas include.  Lucille Schmitt advised that she also tried to contact EAGLENET and encountered the same difficulties that Ben had.        Lucille advised that there are fiber easements and buried cable all the way to the forest service line.  Lucille further advised that she has had some customers that chose to purchase a home some place other that RFL because they needed dependable high speed internet. 


2.    Slash.  Rob Helmick advised that Slash Solutions is operating successfully even though the wind has compounded their operations. 


Discussion Items :


1.    “Community Pathways”


·   RFLPAC Residential Property Boundaries. 


RFL Area Plan dated August 2006 states:

“Lot Line and Road Location Issues

In the earliest area subdivisions, there are often discrepancies between the written and mapped property descriptions and the way development has occurred over the years. The physical locations of structures and roads sometimes conflict with surveyed property boundaries and subdivision plats, creating many problems for property owners and residents. The situation also greatly complicates efforts to maintain and improve roads, as the locations of the rights-of-way are sometimes in question.

At the present time, property owners deal with their individual situations through a County process such as amending the plat to conform to existing conditions. However, it is often the case that agreement and action by many property owners is necessary to "solve" the problems. An example is the case in which a road is not constructed where it is shown on the original subdivision plat and this road crosses several lots.

Instead of each property owner amending the plat of their individual property one at a time, it might be more cost effective for a group of owners of contiguous property to work together on surveying and drafting an amended plat for a larger area. This approach could have the added benefit of clearly establishing the location of road rights of way in a subdivision or part of a subdivision.

Possible Action Steps: A possible method for funding such an effort would be creation of a County improvement district, as is described above. Both the County Engineering Department and the County Planning Department are resources that could provide assistance in organizing a replatting project.”

Roger Svendsen inquired as to how the RFLPAC can assist property owners concerning “lot lines”.  Lucille Schmitt provided the PAC with a condensed version of difficulties encountered by buyers and sellers as it pertains to lot lines.  RFL has historically had issues with land surveys.  It can cost $7,000 or more to settle a property line dispute. Susan Bradley stated that this issue may have to be resolved one property at a time when that property changes ownership. 


Lucille Schmitt asked Rob Helmick if there is some kind of a process at the County level that might be helpful, short of an amended plat, with some new definition where neighbors who are in agreement pertaining to their lot lines and agree to pay for a survey to fix the lot line between them. Rob advised that RFL could create a “property interest district” where everybody provides a little money to do a comprehensive survey.   Since “lot line” is mentioned in the RFL Area Plan, Roger Svendsen asked the board members to think about how the PAC may be able to assist with this “pathway.”  Susan Bradley advised that lot lines are a legal issue and are beyond the PAC’s purview. Rob stated that he believed that the PAC’s involvement could be a recommendation to the County Commissioners that a process to facilitate property owners coming to agreement be investigated.  And, if the Board advises that this would be a good thing to do, then the PAC could be asked to evaluate the identified process as favorable or not favorable.  Lon Hughes asked if there is a way to simplify the process where agreement between property owners is easier to get to and doesn’t cost a lot of money.  Additionally, Lon advised that the GPS that surveyors are currently using is throwing a lot of property markers off.   Roger asked the PAC to think about this issue and at the next PAC meeting, make a determination if the PAC membership wants to put together a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners. 


RFLPAC meeting adjourned at 3:15 PM


Submitted by Terry Ferebee






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